Episode 195

4pm: Yesterday, on a podcast, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick called his former neighbor Jeffrey Epstein the "greatest blackmailer ever." Nicolle Wallace and our panel of political experts discuss the new questions Trump official's comments bring to the Epstein case. Plus, new polling shows that most voters think America's divisions cannot be overcome and the latest line Trump has crossed with the military.
5pm: On the second day of the government shutdown, Trump administration official Russel Vought has already threatened mass firings amid the government shutdown. Nicolle Wallace with our panel of experts and Texas State Representative James Talarico discuss the implications of Vought's comments and Trump's plans to cut "democrat agencies" amid the shutdown. Plus, comedian Cristela Alonzo joins Nicolle to discuss how to find joy and laughter in dark times.
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